On this episode of TheFallenState TV, host Jesse Lee Peterson is joined by Allen Corben, the co-chair of the National Organization for Men Against Sexism (NOMAS). They partake in a spirited and wide-ranging discussion that touches on everything from patriarchy, to Christianity, feminism, Black Lives Matter, Harvey Weinstein, and transgenderism. Jesse (as president and founder of BOND) and Allen (as co-chair of NOMAS) are both leaders in organizations aimed at helping men, but they go about it in very different ways! They also define men and masculinity very differently. Tune in for a very honest and lively exchange!

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